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TRIAL OF SIR THOMAS
MORE: Letter to Margaret Roper
(June 3, 1535) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For as much, dearly beloved daughter, as it is likely that
you either have
heard or shortly shall hear that the Council was here this day, and
that I was
before them, I have thought it necessary to send you word how the
matter
standeth. And verily to be short I perceive little difference
between this
time and the last, for as far as I can see the whole purpose is
either to
drive me to say precisely the one way, or else precisely the other. Here sat my Lord of
Canterbury, my Lord Chancellor, my Lord of Suffolk, my Lord of
Wiltshire and
Master Secretary. And after my coming, Master Secretary made
rehearsal I in what
wise he had reported unto the King's Highness, what had been said by
his
Grace's Council to me, and what had been answered by me to them at mine
other
being before them last. Which thing his Mastership rehearsed in good
faith very
well, as I knowledged and confessed and heartily thanked him therefore.
Whereupon
he added thereunto that the King's Highness was nothing content nor
satisfied
with mine answer, but thought that by my demeanor I had been occasion
of much
grudge and harm in the realm, and that I
had an obstinate mind and an evil
toward him and that my duty was, being his subject; and so he had sent
them now
in his name upon my allegiance to command me to make a plain and
terminate
answer whether I thought the statute lawful or not and that I should
either
acknowledge and confess it lawful that his Highness should be Supreme
Head of
the Church of England or else to utter plainly my malignity. Whereto I answered that I had
no malignity and therefore I could none utter. And as to the matter I
could
none other answer make than I had before made, which answer his
Mastership had
there rehearsed. Very heavy I was that the King's Highness should have
any such
opinion of me. Howbeit if there were one that had informed his Highness
many
evil things of me that were untrue, to which his Highness for the time
gave
credence, I would be very sorry that he should have that opinion of me
the
space of one day. Howbeit if I were sure that other should come on the
morrow
by whom his Grace should know the truth of mine innocency, I should in
the
meanwhile comfort myself with the consideration of that. And in like
wise now
though it be great heaviness to me that his Highness have such opinion
of me
for the while, yet have I no remedy to help it, but only to comfort
myself with
this consideration that I know very well that the time shall come, when
God
shall declare my truth toward his Grace before him and all the
world. And
whereas it might happily seem to be but small cause of comfort because
I might
take harm here first in the meanwhile, I thanked God that my case
was such in
this matter through the clearness of mine own conscience that though I
might
have pain I could not have harm, for a man may in such case lose his
head and
have no harm. For I was very sure that I had no corrupt affection, but
that I
had alway fro the beginning truly used myself to looking first upon God
and
next upon the King, according to the lesson that his Highness taught me
at my
first coming to his noble service, the most virtuous lesson that ever
prince
taught his servant; whose Highness to have of me such opinion is my
great
heaviness, but I have no mean as I said to help it but only
comfort myself in
the meantime with the hope of that joyful day in which my truth towards
him
shall well be known. And in this matter further I could not go nor
other answer
thereto I could not make. To this it was said by my Lord Chancellor and
Master Secretary both that the King might by his laws compel me to make
a plain
answer thereto, either the one way or the other. Whereunto I answered I would not dispute the King's
authority, what his Highness might do in such case, but I said that
verily
under correction it seemed to me somewhat hard. For if it so were that
my conscience
gave me against the statutes (wherein how my mind giveth me I make no
declaration), then I nothing doing nor nothing saying against the
statute, it were
a very hard thing to compel me to say either precisely with it against
my
conscience to the loss of my soul, or precisely against it to the
destruction
of my body. I answered and said that I proteste that I intended
not to defend my part or stand in contention, but I said there was a
difference
between those two cases because that at that time, as well here as
elsewhere
through the corps of Christendom, the Pope's power was recognized for
an
undoubted thing which seemeth not like a thing agreed in this realm and
the
contrary taken for truth in other realms; whereunto Master
Secretary answered
that they were as well burned for the denying of that, as they be
beheaded for
denying of this, and therefore as good reason to compel them to
make precise
answer to the one as to the other. Whereto I answered that sith in this case a man is
not by a law of one realm so bound in his conscience, where there is a
law of
the whole corps of Christendom to the contrary in matter touching
belief, as he
is by a law of the whole corps though there hap to be made in some
place a law
local to the contrary, the reasonableness or the unreasonableness in
binding a
man to precise answer, standeth not in the respect or difference
between
heading or burning, but because of the difference in charge of
conscience, the
difference standeth between heading and hell. Much was there answered unto this both by Master
Secretary and my Lord Chancellor over long to rehearse. And in
conclusion they
offered me an oath by which I should be sworn to make true answer to
such
things as should be asked me on the King's behalf, concerning the
King's own
person. Whereto I answered that verily I never purposed to
swear any book oath more while I lived. Then they said that was very
obstinate
if would refuse that, for every man doth it in the Star Chamber' and
everywhere. I said that was true but I had not so little foresight but
that I
might well conjecture what should be part of my interrogatory, and as
good it
was to refuse it at the first as afterward. Whereto my Lord Chancellor answered that he thought
I guessed truth, for I should see them; and so they were shewed me and
they
were but twain. The first whether I had seen the statute. The other
whether I
believed that it were a lawful made statute or not. Whereupon I
refused the
oath and said further by mouth, that the first I had before confessed,
and to
the second I would make none answer. Which was the end of the communication and I was
thereupon sent away. In the communication before it was said that it
was
marveled that I stack] I so
much in my conscience while at the uttermost I
was not sure therein. Whereto I said that I was very sure that mine own
conscience, so informed as it is by such diligence as I have so long
taken
therein, may stand with mine own salvation. I meddle not with the
conscience of
them that think otherwise, every man suo domino stat et
cadit. I am no man's judge. It was also said unto
me that
if had as lief be out of the world as in it, as I had there said, why
did I not
speak even out plain against the statute. It appeared well I was not
content to
die though I said so. Whereto I answered as the truth is, that I have
not been
a man of such holy living as I might be bold to offer myself to death,
lest God
for my presumption might suffer me to fall, and therefore I put not
myself
forward but draw back. Howbeit if God draw me to it himself, then trust
I in
his great mercy, that he shall not fail to give me grace and strength. In conclusion Master Secretary said that he liked
me this day much worse than he did the last time, for then he said he
pitied me
much and now he thought that I meant not well; but God and I know both
that I
mean well and so I pray God do by me. Your
tender loving father, Thomas More
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